My, My, My ~ Property and Society ~ [GER/ENG]

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Meins, Meins, Meins – Eigentum und Gesellschaft

Die letzte Zeit bin ich oft auf Kommentare und auf Posts gestoßen, in denen die Autoren das Recht, mit seinem Eigentum tun oder lassen zu können, was man möchte, als unumstößlich und als Recht mit äußerst hoher Priorität eingestuft haben.

Ich habe eine völlig andere Auffassung zum Eigentum.

Was mich verwundert ist, dass ausgerechnet User sich im Sinne meines ersten Absatzes äußern, von denen mir einige sehr sympathisch sind, die ich mag, und denen ich mich ein bisschen freundschaftlich verbunden fühle.

Daher mache ich mir die Mühe, einmal meinen Standpunkt darzulegen.

Du gehst arbeiten. Du machst dir deinen Rücken kaputt und die Hände schmutzig beim Arbeiten. Du erhältst für deine Arbeit eine bestimmte Summe an Geld. Nun denkst du, dieses Geld sei dein Eigentum. Da hast du falsch gedacht. Denn von dieser Summe Geldes werden dir erst einmal ungefähr 30% für Steuern abgenommen. Mit den verbleibenden 70% kaufst du dir ein Produkt, und schon werden dir noch einmal 19% (in Deutschland) für Steuern abgenommen. Den Rest des Geldes legst zu verzinslich an. Von den Zinsen werden dir noch einmal 25% abgenommen. Nun verschenkst du das Geld an eine Freundin, die dann auf dein versteuertes Geld noch einmal 30% Schenkungssteuer bezahlen muss. Vielleicht hast du noch ein bisschen Geld und möchtest damit Waffen- oder Drogenhandel oder Zwangsprostitution betreiben. Das kannst du zwar machen, aber du wirst dafür bestraft werden und ins Gefängnis gehen.

Nun, meinst du immer noch, dass du mit deinem Geld machen kannst, was du willst?
Auf keinen Fall kannst du das!

Jede Gesellschaft braucht Regeln, damit das Zusammenleben der Menschen funktionieren kann.

Und auch hier auf Blurt brauchen wir Regeln, damit unsere Social Media Plattform mit Gelderwerb-Möglichkeit langfristig funktionieren und existieren kann.

Wir haben hier auf Blurt einen gemeinsamen Reward-Pool.

Du möchtest Regeln, mit denen verhindert wird, dass Plagiate gevotet werden.

Aber du möchtest keine Regeln, wie ein User das Geld, das er aus unserem gemeinsamen Reward-Pool erhalten hat, verwenden darf?

Sicher darf jeder User seine Rewards abheben oder verschenken. Es steht jedem User völlig frei.

Was würdest du aber sagen, wenn ich jeden Tag alle 10 Votes mir selber geben würde?

Du fändest das sicher nicht schön. Wahrscheinlich fändest du das unsozial. Und wahrscheinlich würdest du dir schnell, mit anderen Usern zusammen, Gedanken machen, wie man das verhindern könnte.

Ich fände das auch unsozial. Daher mache ich das auch nicht, obwohl ich mit 10 Selbstvotes am Tag am meisten Geld verdienen könnte.

Wenn das jeder User machen würde, könnte unsere Social Media Plattform nicht funktionieren.

Ich bin schon seit sehr langer Zeit der Meinung, dass wir klare Regeln aufstellen sollten, wie viel Prozent Selbstvotes in Ordnung sind, und ab welcher Menge es nicht mehr in Ordnung ist. Das würde endlich diese moralische Beurteilung beenden. Und wenn User gegen diese Regeln verstoßen, sollten sie genauso sanktioniert werden wie User, die Plagiate posten.

Das Delegieren seiner Blurt-Power ist genauso ein unsoziales Verhalten.

Selbstverständlich meine ich nicht die Delegationen an Projekte, die andere User und das Miteinander auf unserer Plattform fördern.

Ich meine die Delegationen an jegliche Vote-Trading-Services.

Du gibst eine Delegation an diese Services, um mehr Geld zu verdienen. Aber du schmälerst deine Blurt-Power und kannst daher deinem Blurt-Nachbarn nur noch ein schwaches Vote geben. Dein Blurt-Nachbar votet dich aber mit seiner vollen Blurt-Power. Empfindest du dann dein eigenes Verhalten nicht als unsozial?

Ich finde, es ist unsozial!

Ich fand sehr interessant, dass @rycharde sich erinnern konnte, dass es bis zur HF18 auf Steemit keine Möglichkeit zum Delegieren gab. Es hatte niemand vermisst. Und ein prominenter User ist heute nicht mehr erfreut darüber, dass er damals die Einführung von Delegationen unterstützt hat. Er würde es heute wahrscheinlich nicht mehr so tun. Genauso, wie die Möglichkeit für Delegationen einmal geschaffen wurde, können wir sie auch wieder entfernen.

Von einigen Usern kommt folgendes Argument: Wenn wir Delegationen entfernen, werden die Votes bei Services gekauft.

Ich weiß nicht, ob ich mich falsch erinnere, aber ich dachte immer, dass solche Vote-Verkaufs-Services auf Blurt von Anfang an verboten sind. Falls dies noch nicht geschehen sein sollte, sollten wir unsere AGB so ändern, dass Vote-Verkaufs-Services verboten sind. @rycharde, wärst du bitte so freundlich, uns zu sagen, wie die Regelungen zu Vote-Verkaufs-Services auf Blurt sind. Danke!

Meine Konsequenz zur aktuellen Situation mit den Delegationen ist, dass ich keine User mehr voten werde, die an Vote-Trading-Services jeglicher Art delegiert haben, da ich dieses Verhalten unsozial finde.

Erfreulicherweise handeln Herr @r2cornell und @practicalthought schon genauso.

Wenn es für dich zutrifft, und du verwendest den tag #iduvts, wirst du von mir bevorzugt beachtet. #iduvts bedeutet: Ich benutze keine Vote-Trading-Services.

Am Sonntag in der Kneipe werde ich die Gäste bitten, dieses Kürzel zu Beginn ihrer Kommentare einzufügen.

Viele Grüße, euer @double-u

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English


My, My, My - Property and Society

Lately I have often come across comments and posts in which the authors have classified the right to do or not do what one wants with one's property as irrevocable and as a right with extremely high priority.

I have a completely different view on property.

What astonishes me: Surprisingly, those users express themselves in the sense of my first paragraph, some of whom are very sympathetic to me, whom I like, and to whom I feel a bit of a friendship.

Therefore I make the effort to explain my point of view once.

You go to work. You break your back and get your hands dirty working. You receive a certain amount of money for your work. Now you think that this money is your property. You thought wrong. Because from this sum of money first of all about 30% is taken from you for taxes. With the remaining 70% you buy a product, and again 19% (in Germany) are taken from you for taxes. The rest of the money you invest with interest. From the interest 25% are taken from you again. Now you give the money away to a friend, who then has to pay another 30% gift tax on your taxed money. Maybe you still have some money and want to use it for arms or drug dealing or forced prostitution. You can do that, but you will be punished and go to jail.

Well, do you still think that you can do whatever you want with your money?
No way you can!

Every society needs rules so that people can live together.

And here on Blurt, we also need rules so that our social media platform with money-making opportunities can function and exist in the long term.

We have a common reward pool here on Blurt.

You want rules that prevent plagiarism from being voted on.

But you don't want rules about how a user is allowed to use the money he received from our shared reward pool?

Sure, every user is allowed to withdraw or give away their rewards. It's completely up to each user.

But what would you say if I gave all 10 votes to myself every day?

I'm sure you wouldn't like that. Probably you would find that antisocial. And probably you would quickly, together with other users, think about how to prevent this.

I would also find that antisocial. That's why I don't do it, even though I could make the most money with 10 self votes a day.

If every user would do that, our social media platform could not function.

I've been of the opinion for a very long time that we should set clear rules about what percentage of self-votes are okay, and at what amount it's no longer okay. That would finally put an end to this moral judging. And if users break these rules, they should be sanctioned just like users who post plagiarism.

Delegating one's blurt power is just as much anti-social behavior.

Of course, I don't mean delegations to projects that promote other users and togetherness on our platform.

I mean delegations to any vote trading services.

You give a delegation to these services to make more money. But you reduce your blurt power and therefore you can only give a weak vote to your blurt neighbor. Your blurt neighbor, however, votes you with his full blurt power. Doesn't this make you feel that your own behavior is antisocial?

I think it is antisocial!

I found it very interesting that @rycharde could remember that there was no option to delegate until HF18 on Steemit. No one had missed it. And a prominent user today is not pleased that he supported the introduction of delegation back then. He probably wouldn't do it the same way today. Just as the possibility for delegations was created once, we can remove it again.

The following argument comes from some users: if we remove delegations, votes will be bought at Services.

I don't know if I'm misremembering, but I always thought that such vote-selling services were forbidden on Blurt from the beginning. If this hasn't happened yet, we should change our AGB so that vote-selling services are forbidden. @rycharde, would you please be so kind to tell us what are the regulations about vote-selling services on Blurt. Thanks!

My consequence to the current situation with delegations is that I will no longer vote users who have delegated to vote trading services of any kind, as I find this behavior anti-social.

Fortunately, Mr @r2cornell and @practicalthought are already acting the same way.

If it applies to you, and you use the tag #iduvts, you will get preferential attention from me. #iduvts means: I don't use vote trading services.

On Sunday at the pub, I'll ask guests to add this abbreviation at the beginning of their comments.

Many greetings, your @double-u

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Thanks a lot of by heart for your best important content for all blurt users. It is to increase our confidence. I am a new user but when I visit your content.
I am feeling best. And I hope your content has something special and reality which attract me.
Your concept is good. but I would also consult that if users are to buy vote. This is my opinion. I beg by heart you that you will take vote for increasing my confidence in the blurt.

The robots must be destroyed !

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#iduvts
I totally understand and agree with you.
Upvote services are really bad , example is what is happening on steemit, only the rich get richer.

But I have a question, Is it bad to delegate to a community ? ..., because the community account is used to support everyone and they also organize contest which is open to everyone including newcomers.

You are Doing Great work @double-u By this small users also get some supports thank You.

#iduvts

Regards,

@fabiha

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Hi, @double-u,

Thank you for your contribution to the Blurt ecosystem.


Please consider voting for the witness @symbionts.
Or delegate to @ecosynthesizer to earn a portion of the curation rewards!

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Hey junger Mann, long time no speak, bin nur mal kurz reingehuscht wieder #iduvts - es gibt auf Blurt Vote Selling echt? Ich stimme Deiner Meinung generell zu, aber ist eben zentralisiert Verbote aufzustellen, soll das nicht die Community regeln? Daher bin ich auch ein Verfechter der Flag Möglichkeit, auch wenn ich sie weder auf Steem noch Hive häufig nutze, ausser bei offensichtlichen Plagiaten und so.

Das ist auch ein Punkt, der mir von Anfang an bei Blurt schwer aufgestoßen ist, dass man keine Möglichkeiten hat etwas gegen sagen wir mal sehr egoistische Personen machen kann, besonders wenn es dann beginnt sich schädigend auf die Community auszuwirken.
Das Beispiel von dir, wenn du dich nur noch selber voten würdest könnte man noch weiter spinnen und dann würdest du nur noch einmal das Alphabet posten und das dann voten. Sieht für blurt auch super aus, wenn unter trending dann deine Alphabetposts wären und das dann 10 pro Tag, automatisch erstellt und gevotet. Stoppen könnte man dich nicht und trending wäre zerschossen.

Wenn wir upvu nun mit Abschaffung der Delegation unterbinden würden wäre die Frage was die mit ihren Blurt dann machen. Die haben in ihren Accounts ja auch eine nette Summe liegen. Die werden sicherlich nicht sinnige Posts erstellen, maximal das von Steem in koreanisch per copy/paste rüberklatschen wie gerade auch. Wird das dann durch voting trails ersetzt oder ein Anteilskaufsystem ähnlich wie sbi?

Wenn wer das System von Blurt ausnutzen will wird das auch gehen. Man müsste schauen wir man mit größeren Accounts umgeht, die blurt nur melken wollen und sich wie ein Parasit verhalten, denn unsere Möglichkeiten gegen sowas sind seeehr begrenzt

Hello dear,
@double-u
Thanks a lot of dear for your most important content for us. It is increasing our confidence. Because I am a new user but when I visit your content.
I am feeling best. And I hope your content has something special and reality which attract me.

Thanks dear
Such kind of content.

Your concept is good Sir but I would also suggest that if users are to buy votes the rules should be set at 50% of their total accumulations and any one beyond this shouldn't be supported by the social system. This is just in my opinion thanks Sir.

The best thing is to establish rules that are clarified from the creation of the accounts, so when a user registers, let them know when they welcome.Perhaps an account that is responsible only to welcome and expose the rules to each user new. Thanks for the update.

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

We need more rules.

If u dont stop spaming this i will put u on my mute list . We all know now that u are against rules and want anarchy .
Please stop spaming thx

Thank you so much for saying that.I'm really sorry.

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Sure as @double-u would use something like that because someone was teasing him. The people who know Werner know that he certainly did not use the service of @tomoyan.
Could you adjust your text for the future @tomoyan.
Since one can use your service also anonymously ,this is bad in this and can be used to the reputation damage.
Thanks for your understanding

I've had the same thing happen on some of my posts. It said "thanks for using my upvote service". Instead it should say the name of the person who requested the vote.

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

More rules are needed.

Although the system operates in a modus-operandi and routine of the rich gets richer while the poor tries to get rich, but someday we will all get to the point of convergence by all means more love no anarchy, cause this is a social system and needed to operate in the social concept because the idea of Karl Marx still resonates despite he's gone love you Boss 💗💗

Rules ????
Taxes ????
Government ????

Down with the Rules. Let Anarchy reign supreme.

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https://www.philosophytalk.org/blog/anarchy-possible

I think these services are helpful for people starting out and do not get any upvotes for their good work. If we are going to remove these services then the whales with 1 Million + Blurt Power better ensure that all new Blurt Bloggers with really good Original Content are getting upvotes for their work. Or they will leave. And we don’t want that either. Do we ? Is Blurt only for the rich and their friends ? I see thousands of good posts getting zero rewards on Steemit and Hive. This is why people join Blurt. We are known for helping out beginners and the poor.

Well you are the best when it's about discussing things in clear way.
If i see as a dev upvote services are like a way to fill the gap when we are not active. It's like when we curate manually, that's good. But when we away, it keeps happen some other way. But again, if people stop interacting and only using upvotes ,they become like zombies account as they do not directly interact and people may not exist.
So, in that way it's bad for community.

If i see as a normal blogger, when I started my power was way low and whenever I try to vote someone, my vote was like 0 so I feel like sad to give that votes. So i used the #upvote and tomoyan tool to get some starting votes. Also I used to do self vote on 6th day to make reward pool bigger as both author and curator benefits from it.
But now, with time i have increased power and I agree to the argument that I can keep creating content with self vote to earn, but that will spoil the idea of being in a community where you first interact , that is main thing, getting rewarded is after. So, basically if we miss the first thing, this is nothing more than a money generating faucet where you keep on adding data and keep voting, nothing more.

So, for self vote we can either disable voting, reduce power , or like ask people not to self vote. But again that is their choice.
Yeah, and the right thing, i would not say exactly that. They have earned tokens and they can use it as they want, according to choice. But being in a community, they have some responsibilities of sharing with each other, that they miss by only using voting service.

So, i again say ( before i lost at what I exactly want to say)
People can use a curation service, a voting service but they should also interact with the community.

So, I support your use of #iduvts

But about blurt, being a community owned platform, i would say, i will build and support what community expects to be there rather over what's beneficial more in terms of money.

Thanks and I do miss vote sometimes of all....

I will still support people by commenting and by adding beneficiaries which sounds a better option over upvote service as 1 blurt from original people can make you happy Over 100 blurt from a service in long run.

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  ·  6 months ago (edited)

Let Anarchy Rule.

Worth quoting this again:

Delegated Bandwidth: You can now delegate any part of your SP to other users to vote for you. Those who accumulated a reasonable amount of Steem Power can request others to Users to vote for you, this means so called Whales don't need to be on Steemit 24 hours voting for Content to enjoy Curation Rewards instead they can pick a person do it for them.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitguide/annoucing-steem-hardfork-18-keep-up-with-latest-updates-and-features-of-version-0-18-1-infographics

That's why delegating exists as a function. Dated March 2017.

So now it has become a right? really?
This is a synthetic construct and the rules can - and have - been changed.
Anything not encoded cannot be done; quite simple.
If some actions become a liability to the existence of the construct, then those functions can changed.
Watch the Architect explain this to Neo. ;-)

Thank you for the interesting information!

this means so called Whales don't need to be on Steemit 24 hours voting for Content to enjoy Curation Rewards instead they can pick a person do it for them

This makes no sense. When you delegate your Power to other account then curation rewards from delegated power also goes to other account. You get nothing

It is better to follow manual curators via trail (steemauto/hive.vote)

Indeed, that was changed later, but what happened was the rise in reward-share systems, altho some whales just negotiate privately. One can see such movements on chain - I'm not going back to check but recall from memory.

Would actually be an interesting solution if delegated stake were to earn some rewards - as that would also help small accounts. It would be similar to staking to validators.

Yes, split of curation rewards from delegated power is a good idea. It makes more sense than current system, but it won't fix "upvu bots" problem. Anyways, I wonder if it is technically possible

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

We need more rules.

sounds good - no rules - on a blockchain - see how long that lasts.
no rules - no code - nothing at all.
laughable

Afterthought.
Note carefully that the raison d'etre was not social, but financial. Hence, if the financial consequences have negative social consequences, then such financial functions can be changed.

That there may be social benefits, such as community-building, is still, historically, a small part compared to the vote-merchants.

I thought about this in 2017 - I had constructed my own little community. How to grow the financial support in a way commensurate with the growth in people, posting and voting?

The answer was to tokenise the community. That's what I did. The token still exists as MAPR on steem-engine. Yes, it too uses delegations, so for this discussion is not the perfect solution. But my next iteration became MAXUV - that too still exists - and the similar MPATH on hive-engine. Anybody can create and build similar tokens. Delegations are not necessary.

I really appreciate the initiative '#iduvts means: I don't use vote trading services'
We must act no before it affects negatively the whole ecosystem.

Lots of respect and love. It is meaningful to discuss very important issues. First of all, you want to keep this site clean and beautiful. We, humans, are social creatures. Naturally, just as good people live in this society, so too many bad people live in this society. So you have to live with both good and bad. Today we live in the Global Village. And the Global Village has united everyone beyond the country's border conflict. Just as high-minded German life in this Global Village, so do people from a poor third world country. So live here both good and evil. Again, the daily expenses of the people of a developed country are the monthly income of the people of a third-world country. Believe it or not. For this, there be some differences in mentality. But we must overcome all obstacles as one. Those who increase theft must be suppressed. The world can be conquered only with a generous and big mentality. Thank You.

I agree with your understanding this upvote for yourself will make Blurt Platform not working and it's specially for people who have big BP, I think PowerUp or delegation to any community will really help Blurt to grow and can function in long term long.

But I see that on this platform has started to grow abuse of users to get a lot of profit, by delegating their Bp to one of the Popes who are already recognized by many people, Isn't that deviating from this program?

How to overcome that?

Wow, the tag #iduvts is already working wonderfully already after 6 hours!
I am very pleased!
I immediately voted there ;-)

Two thoughts came to mind regarding this. Thank you for putting up a discussion regarding delegations and the idea of removing it entirely from the Blurt's functionality.

From a design perspective, I think delegations are good. I believe it shoud be there. I think we can liken delegations to a knife.

Just like a knife, it can be used for slicing food, and it can be used for evil such as murder.

I think it relies mainly on the person using it. In @practicalthough's situation, if delegations were removed, then that would mean @michaelangelo and @jacobgadikian will either retain their stakes for themselves and do nothing with them (which is something we want? a lot of stale or unused stake) or they can transfer their properties to @practicalthough or @michaelangelo which means transferring their properties which I think is the worse than delegations.

So given this statement, my preference would be to retain delegations. But it will more of policing or patrolling how delegations are used.

I'll end my thought here.

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

We should end all Delegations now. Let Anarchy Rule.

I agree. Blurt would be better with only Manual voting.

I have studied several posts on delegation, plagiarism, spam, auto upvotings, curation etc, I don't want to mention them here altogether and I have found them quite useful no doubt but your best is best according to me in this topic.

Let's me define why am I saying so!
At first, you give a example of a man who goes to do work and at the end of the day he receives a certain amount of money for his work and thinks it is his property but it is no longer stays with him. And.... You explained how it comes to an end.

After that you told that every society needs rules so that people can live together. And further you described the importance of rules and why the blurt community needs it badly.

Then, you gave us another example that if you gave all 10 votes to yourself every day?
And you said that we wouldn't like it and we will call you antisocial.

Then you presented your opinion on delegation, and I am 100% agree with you.

Then you mentioned rycharde sir that he could remembered that there was no option for delegation in early days..after that you requested him what are the regulations about vote-selling services on Blurt. Except these so good things in your.
That's why, I said so that your post is the best until today.

Hope your opinion will change many minds and we will observe and study quality posts far from plagiarism and junk contents, delegation and citation will be given to right purpose and person!

All the people of this world make mistakes in one way or another. No human being in this world can finish all the work properly. If he thinks that he can finish all the work of the world in the right way, then it is completely wrong.

A society is governed by a set of rules and regulations in order to run a state. A society is governed by a set of rules and a family is governed by a set of rules.

When a newcomer to our blurt family comes to work he doesn't read well the rules and regulations of this platform so he started posting copyright here from the beginning because he didn't get a certain amount of support since he came here because how to work here properly. The newcomers, having an idea of ​​what to do with the new rules, bring in the copyrights and start working, creating a lot of chaos in our family

I believe that if a new person can come here and get a detailed idea of ​​his work, he will be able to do something good by using his brain properly, but I also believe that when a person makes a mistake, he will catch that mistake and the next time I will always believe that if we convict a person and then do not cooperate with him to get rid of the culprit, then we will be guilty. There was no gap between him and me

So I think we need to take action against copyright and make sure that users don't get another chance after the crime has been committed. Thank you very much.

I haven't been able to put it into words

I just read the headline. Right now I do not have time. I am going for some important work. But after I finish that work. I will definitely read this post. But I can understand the headline. That sir @double-u's thinking is very good that he thinks about others. And I want every man should have this kind of thinking. Only then the society will be good.

talking about rules, everything we do really need rules because rules that guide us in the right direction without rules everything must be chaotic and blurt. Blogs for new users are difficult to find rules because of the lack of notifications about rules and about money indeed everyone needs money but what we can do easily is definitely less meaningful because the money we get from our hard work is more valuable even though the amount is small, thank you for the knowledge sir. good job sir👍💪

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In Germany taxes are as high as in Brazil, but unfortunately here there is no return. Thanks for supporting the community.

Nur kurz zu den Steuern: Sagen wir, ich pflanze Tomaten und ernte 10 Tomaten. Eine bestimmte Menge für die Allgemeinheit ist ok, evtl. die biblischen 10%. Andere haben vielleicht kein Grundstück und damit gar nicht die Möglichkeit, Tomaten anzupflanzen. Von daher finde ich eine Abgabe in Ordnung, allerdings nicht in der Höhe wie wir es in D haben. Von daher habe ich etwas Bauchschmerzen bei dem Steuerbeispiel, auch wenn ich es vom Ansatz her in Ordnung finde.

Was ist mit den verbliebenen 9 Tomaten? Ich kann sie selber essen, einem anderen damit eine Freude machen oder auch eine Tomate jemand an den Kopf werfen. Jeder soll mit seinem Eigentum machen was er will, hört natürlich dort auf, wo andere geschädigt werden.

Wir müssen abwägen, ob die Abschaffung von Delegationen langfristig mehr Vor- als Nachteile hat. Ich stimme für eine Abschaffung.

#iduvts - gute Idee!

Servus, mein Lieber!

Ich stimme für eine Abschaffung.

Da stimme ich dir zu.

Was mir noch eingefallen ist, ich bin ja auch dafür, dass jeder frei entscheiden kann, was er mit seinem Eigentum macht. Setzte aber stillschweigend voraus, dass dies nicht für negative Zwecke genutzt wird. Vielleicht liegt da der Hase im Pfeffer, im bildlichen Sinne ist mir der Gedanke, jemand eine Tomate an den Kopf zu werfen, gar nicht gekommen.


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  ·  6 months ago (edited)

Vielen Dank für diesen Beitrag, der mich daran erinnert hat, dass ich eine Reihe von Anmerkungen zu diesem Thema machen muss. Ich glaube, die Nutzer sind in einigen Punkten verwirrt:

  • Delegieren ist nichts Schlechtes, es ist an sich ein Akt der Verantwortung für beide Parteien, und wenn es getan wird, dann um die positiven Aspekte von Initiativen, Gemeinschaften oder Nutzern zu verbessern. Auch um den Unterprivilegierten zu helfen. Wenn das Delegieren anderen Nutzern helfen kann, sich zu entwickeln, ist das nicht der Punkt, um den es geht.

  • Auto Voting Services, ich kann nicht über Steemit sprechen, ich kann darüber sprechen, was ich derzeit auf Hive und Blurt sehe. Diese Dienste sind weder für die Plattform noch für die Nutzer selbst wirklich profitabel. Viele der Nutzer sind dieselben Leute, die zu faul sind, um eine qualitativ hochwertige Veröffentlichung zu erstellen, oder die einfach nur die größte Dividende ohne jede Anstrengung erhalten wollen.

  • Die Nutzer, die diese Dienste bis zum Äußersten verteidigen, sind meiner Meinung nach dieselben, die nicht kommentieren, nicht interagieren, ich meine nicht Discord, sondern die anderen Veröffentlichungen. Sie geben auch keine positiven Stimmen ab und erwarten im Gegenteil, dass ein Dritter ihnen einen Prozentsatz ihres eigenen Gewinns anbietet, während sie durch Kommentare und Abstimmungen mehr Gewinn machen können.

  • Autovoting-Dienste dienen nur der Förderung von Junk-Inhalten. Delegationen für Projekte, die das Wachstum der Plattform fördern, sind diejenigen, die wir unterstützen sollten.


Thank you for this publication, which reminded me that I have several comments to make on this subject. I think users are confused on some points:

  • Delegating is not bad, in itself is an act of responsibility for both parties, and when it is done is in order to enhance the positive of initiatives, communities or users. Even to help the less favored. If delegating can help other users grow, that is not the point of contention.

  • Auto Voting services, I can't talk about steemit, I can talk about what I see in hive and Blurt currently. These services are not really profitable neither for the platform nor for the users themselves, many of those who resort to them are the same ones who are lazy to make a quality publication, or just want to get the biggest dividend without any effort.

  • The users that defend these services with all their might are the same ones that do not comment, do not interact, I am not referring to Discord, but the other publications. Nor do they give positive votes and on the contrary they expect a third party to offer them a percentage of their own benefits, when they commenting, voting can make more profitable.

  • The self-voting services only serve to enhance the junk content, delegations to projects that support the growth of the platform to those are the ones we should support.

I have tried to read your comments through Google Translate. I like your points very much. I hope your words will be very acceptable to you sir.

You are absolutely right. should be like this.

I agree with you sir! It is being observed that there are so many junk contents.

Ja, Doti und ich haben diese Meinung von dir hier auch geschrieben.

Danke für deinen Kommentar!

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

Just vote good original content. Especially the new people.

How do you manage voting while referencing a list? I spend a lot of my time manually curating posts and I cant imagine adding checking every name on a list too, along with plagiarism and other things.

Hi, I added the following to my post:

"If it applies to you, and you use the tag #iduvts, you will get preferential attention from me.
#iduvts means: I don't use vote trading services.
On Sunday at the pub, I'll be asking guests to add this abbreviation at the beginning of their comments."

Here's @michelangelo3's list.
https://blurt.blog/deutsch/@michelangelo3/thoughts-about-upvote-services
You can search the list by name with Ctrl + F.

haha. I thought it was one of those Goeggel translator brain seizures!
Some tags get bizarre translations.
But this is for real!

Ok those are great work around thanks for the feedback.

  ·  6 months ago (edited)

Down with the bots ! Upvoted by the AI #blurtbot

Ja es ist etwas Paradox automatische Vote Services zu Unterstützen aber gleichzeitig Plagiate bekämpfen zu wollen .
Diese automatischen Dienste prüfen nämlich nicht was wie Voten und da werden sicherlich auf anderen Plattformen schon genug Plagigate gevotet .

Congratulations, your post has been upvoted by @r2cornell, which is the curating account for @R2cornell's Discord Community.

Curated by <@bestkizito >

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life is based on rules, if there are no rules there is no progress, everything becomes a disaster, the human being always has his egoistic instinct, the rules can calm that egoism a bit.

The best thing is to establish rules that are clarified from the creation of the accounts, so when a user registers, let them know when they welcome them...

Perhaps an account that is responsible only to welcome and expose the rules to each user new.

Du möchtest Regeln, mit denen verhindert wird, dass Plagiate gevotet werden.
Aber du möchtest keine Regeln, wie ein User das Geld, das er aus unserem gemeinsamen Reward-Pool erhalten hat, verwenden darf?

Genau das ist der Knackpunkt! Die selben Leute, die eine Blacklist wollten, finden aber die Vote-Trading-Services toll, wobei ich diese schlimmer finde als Plagiate und kämpfen mit aller Macht gegen Vorschläge die gegen diese Vote-Trading-Services gerichtet sind.

Aktuell ist es halt schwer, die diese Services nutzen nicht zu Voten, da es sehr aufwendig ist nachzuschauen ob diese eine Delegation an die Services am laufen haben.

Denn ich möchte auch keine Votes mehr an die verteilen, die so einen Service nutzen.

Wahre Worte, mein Lieber!
Ich stimme dir voll zu!